Precum

Jul. 26th, 2006 01:27 pm
[identity profile] beachgurl122.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] vaginapagina
I was just curious what you all thought about the likliness of precum getting a woman pregnant... My boyfriend and I used it many times in the past and I never had a scare ( dumb I know ) but I really dont think the amount of precum could do it, I really beleive you need the full ejaculate... Does anyone know of anyone getting pregnant from precum ONLY?? This interests me ( I know I'm weird, lol )

Date: 2006-07-26 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaelstra.livejournal.com
It's very unlikely, but still possible.

Here's a good piece of advice: If his fluids get mixed with your fluids, there's a chance you can get pregnant no matter what.

Date: 2006-07-26 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gosh-mel.livejournal.com
It just takes one!

Image

If there's tons of them in just one drop, I can see how it could be possible.

Date: 2006-07-26 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smallstar.livejournal.com
According to Planned Parenthood (http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2/portal/files/portal/medicalinfo/birthcontrol/pub-birth-control-02.xml), the risk of getting pregnant using the "withdrawal method" is 27% with typical use, and 4% with perfect use. We don't really know whether those pregnancies are due to precum, or if they're due to method failure (ie. the guy doesn't pull out in time, or ejaculate gets into the vagina somehow) but the fact remains that most people using this method are looking at a 1 in 4 risk of pregnancy. I don't know about you, but to me that's too high! I'd highly recommend that you look into using a more reliable method if it's important for you to not be getting pregnant in the immediate future.

Date: 2006-07-26 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] betterbebalboa.livejournal.com
Just one note: those statistics (27% and 4%) apply over the course of a year's worth of sexual intercourse--so the average couple using withdrawl with typical use would have a 1 in 4 chance of getting pregnant over the course of an entire year, not a 1 in 4 chance each time.
"Typical" use includes things you mentioned like not pulling out in time, spilled ejaculate, ejaculate still in/on the penis from a precious ejaculation, etc. "Perfect" use means (as far as I know!) that the girl got pregnant *just* from pre-cum.
But a lot of people dispute these Planned Parenthood statistics on withdrawal anyway.

Date: 2006-07-26 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smallstar.livejournal.com
Thanks for the clarification - sometimes I forget to make that totally clear. I went and looked through the medical literature at one point looking for the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of withdrawal, and the consensus seems to be that there are really NO good, reliable statistics in this area. I'm not sure exactly where the PPH stats come from, but I highly doubt they were based on any well-designed studies, because I don't think those exist.

Date: 2006-07-26 06:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atalanta0jess.livejournal.com
Along these lines, do you know if there are any guidelines within the statistics about how much sex is "average" or whatever? Because it seems to me if you have sex once a year, you'd have less than a 1/4 chance of getting preggers...but if you have sex three times a day, you might have a greater chance.

Date: 2006-07-26 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] betterbebalboa.livejournal.com
No, sorry, I've often wondered that myself.

Date: 2006-07-26 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atalanta0jess.livejournal.com
well, at least I'm wondering alone...

Date: 2006-07-27 04:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queensugar.livejournal.com
This doctor (http://www.managingcontraception.com/QA/show_item.php?item=1114&type=qna) on Managing Contraception (http://www.managingcontraception.com) says that the average frequency is thought to be about 83 times a year.

Date: 2006-07-26 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovekaty.livejournal.com
Perfect use is really more of a scientific calculation than a statistic. We aren't perfect, so no couple can be said to use the withdrawl method perfectly. So most actual human beings make mistakes and end up with about 27% chance of pregnancy.

Date: 2006-07-26 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] betterbebalboa.livejournal.com
Well, in a way yes, but we can do things to approach "perfect" use. Not that withdrawal is a good or safe method, or that it can even necessarily be considered a birth control "method," but saying that humans will always be stuck on the worst-percentile of "typical" use seems to say that taking all possible precautions in order to come as close as possible to "perfect" use is pointless.
(I don't know if that made sense, sorry for the long sentence)

Date: 2006-07-26 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardspacecore.livejournal.com
Actually, precum is a secretion from the prostate (cowper's) gland that acts as a lubricant and to neutralize the acidic environment in the urethra vagina so the sperm doesn't instantly die when ejaculation occurs.
There's actually a really small chance that there is any sperm in precum.

"Though frequently cited as a carrier for small numbers of sperm, and thus a potential cause of pregnancy, it is very unlikely that conception will occur from exposure to pre-ejaculate fluid.
It has also been theorized that pre-ejaculate may push sperm from a prior ejaculation out,[1] presumably if he has not urinated since his most recent ejaculation. These are among the reasons why withdrawal (coitus interruptus) is not considered to be a reliable method of birth control. There have been no large-scale studies of sperm in pre-ejaculate, but some smaller-scale studies suggest that any sperm present may be ineffectual at causing pregnancy"

If you're really worried about getting pregnant though, I wouldn't risk it.

Date: 2006-07-26 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rockstarbob.livejournal.com
Do you happen to have the citation info for that quote?

Date: 2006-07-26 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardspacecore.livejournal.com
I do actually, sorry. It's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-ejaculate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-ejaculate)

And in my original comment, I said prostate gland, but that was supposed to be bulbourethral gland, which is actually directly in front of the prostate gland.

I went through nursing school for two years as well, and while I'm not a certified nurse of any kind (I decided that it wasn't at all what I wanted to do) I can say that we learned about this quite a bit as well.

Date: 2006-07-26 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rockstarbob.livejournal.com
Thanks for the follow-up! We always like to keep track of sources around here. ;)

Date: 2006-07-26 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hardspacecore.livejournal.com
No problem! I meant to post it in the original one, because I know if it were me, I'd want to see the whole document to read more, but I forgot to paste it :) Thanks!

Date: 2006-07-26 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennifer0246.livejournal.com
It seems like a decent quotation, but it's worthwhile to remember that anybody can write or edit wiki entries, so the information contained there is of questionable veracity.

Date: 2006-07-27 04:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queensugar.livejournal.com
This post by a doctor (and peer reviewed by a PhD) may be more verifiable on that end, especially as it cites its sources:

http://www.managingcontraception.com/questions_new/barriers/q-a_br_01-23.html

Date: 2006-07-26 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loveofdaisies.livejournal.com
I'm glad you asked this, I'm currently slightly worried about getting pregnant from precum only and while I realize that 27% is a pretty high number, I still feel better that there's a 77% chance that you won't. I would think that you'd probably have to time it just right on your ovulation cycle for it to be a big risk.

Still, a better form of protection is always preferred. Sometimes there's not time for that though, right? =P

Date: 2006-07-26 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loveofdaisies.livejournal.com
Exactly, I'm totally rationalizing it like that because otherwise I'll freak myself the crap out.

I just try to think about all these couples who are TRYING to get pregnant and it takes months. And that's doing everything right, you know?

Isn't it something like there's only an 8 hour period where everything is just right in your body for fertilization? I thought I'd heard that somewhere before.

The only thing I don't like is the whole 'sperm can live inside of you for upwards of a week'. That's not cool, lol. But like you said, discharge and all of that has to be just right, too.

Date: 2006-07-26 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loveofdaisies.livejournal.com
I had a scare last month too, totally know how that stressing can make your period late. My boyfriend and I literally did a dance of joy when mine came and it was only about 3 days late.

The only concern I have is that Saturday night we did it after he'd ejaculated once already, so I'm concerned about the precum pushing out the sperm. I'm pretty sure I wasn't ovulating so I'm not too terribly concerned. I won't be late for another few weeks, so we shall see, lol.

It's so refreshing to talk to someone who's been there before and understands. ♥

Date: 2006-07-27 04:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loveofdaisies.livejournal.com
LOL.. I know that feeling, I was never so happy to have cramps!!?

LOL I said the same thing on my journal the last time I had my period. NEVER so happy to be crampy and cranky and bloated in my life!

You might not remember but did he urinate after the first time he ejaculated? They say if he does it kills/ pushes sperm out...

Yeah he didn't pee between. =\ We're very unsmart like that.

It is great to talk to people who have had similar situations..where were you a few weeks ago???

Haha seriously! Trust me I was doing my own freaking out about this time a month ago. We could've freaked out together.

And you can alway take a HPT if your period is late by a day...so that could give you piece of mind!

Oh it definitely does. This last time I did it hilbilly style and took the HPT in the bathroom of Wal-Mart where I purchased it, LOL.

Date: 2006-07-28 04:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loveofdaisies.livejournal.com
HAHA you do! Plus there was the whole issue with my parents at my house and his roommates at his. So we just went to the back and took it. Longest 3 minutes of my life!

And yes I was horrified to look at the result too. And I actually read it wrong at first, thinking one line meant yes, you're pregnant, and had a slight panic attack before I realized I was looking at it wrong, LOL.

Date: 2006-07-28 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loveofdaisies.livejournal.com
Oh man I have seen those. I've heard they're not quite as accurate though? Or there are more false readings with those...which I guess is basically the same thing. But yeah. Definitely less confusing that one line/two lines.

Date: 2006-07-27 04:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loveofdaisies.livejournal.com
Grey's Anatomy is the best show of my life!

Date: 2006-07-26 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rockstarbob.livejournal.com
This was recently posted in the community and got a lot of great responses:

http://community.livejournal.com/vaginapagina/7546145.html

Date: 2006-07-27 04:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queensugar.livejournal.com
The OB-GYN who answers questions at Managing Contraception (http://www.managingcontraception.com) has often been an advocate of withdrawal as being included in the dialogue about modern contraceptive options.

You can read his thoughts on that here (http://www.managingcontraception.com/QA/show_item.php?item=497&type=qna). He also discusses studies about the amount of sperm in pre-ejaculate here (http://www.managingcontraception.com/questions_new/barriers/q-a_br_01-23.html), and if you search "withdrawal" on the site's main page, it turns up many other questions and answers regarding it.

Is withdrawal dumb or stupid to use? Frankly, no, I don't think so. No contraceptive method is "dumb" so long as the couples using it have reviewed their options and decided which one works best for them, including the relative risks and effectiveness rate.

There is a lot of fear tactics about withdrawal used to discourage young couples from using it. I think this is disingenuous -- while more reliable forms of contraception (particularly ones that a woman can control herself, rather than relying on her partner) should perhaps be more promoted, if a woman is comfortable with the studied failure rate of withdrawal, then that is her choice.

Date: 2006-07-27 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smallstar.livejournal.com
Great comment. :)

I dont know the Statistics, but...

Date: 2006-07-27 05:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prettytyedup.livejournal.com
Sperm can live for up to 2 days outside of the testes.

When a man Ejaculates, not all of the sperm leave the penis.

The purpose of precum is to cleanse the tubing (forgive me i forget all of the names...) so that nothing inside kills the sperm... regardless; it pushes everything, usually inculding sperm, out of the urethra and into whatever happens to be at the end of the urethra.

If a man has ejaculated within the past 48hours there's a pretty huge risk (again, not sure on the stats, there are relatively few sperm in there) of you getting pregnant from the precum.

And i'm not a doctor or anything, but i've had quite a bit of unprotected sex so i paid attention in A&P.

G'luck

Re: I dont know the Statistics, but...

Date: 2006-07-27 05:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prettytyedup.livejournal.com
ok, typo... there's a "pretty huge risk" of the sperm ending up in your cervix... everything else seems to be well discussed above.

And i've always wondered if urination really flushed the system; Thanks for the info!!

Re: I dont know the Statistics, but...

Date: 2006-07-27 06:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queensugar.livejournal.com
Thanks for clarifying in your second comment. :)

Just a note -- do you have a source for the sperm living two days outside the testes? Everything I've read on the subject indicates that in the female body, sperm have been observed to live for an average of 2-3 days, with six to seven days (http://www.managingcontraception.com/QA/show_item.php?item=1012&type=qna) being the observed maximum (though that would be a more rare phenomenon).

Re: I dont know the Statistics, but...

Date: 2006-07-28 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prettytyedup.livejournal.com
i wasn't referring to sperm inside the female body, and i dont have a source; i just remember that our A&P prof. stressed the need for caution when dealing with precum 2 days following ejaculation.

Re: I dont know the Statistics, but...

Date: 2006-07-28 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queensugar.livejournal.com
Fair enough -- I've just never heard that particular statistic before, and when citing unusual stats it is always awesome to find links to support that in VP.

Most experts I've read state that so long as urination has occured following a previous ejaculation, any motile sperm left in the urethra will likely be washed out.
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Date: 2006-07-28 04:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loveofdaisies.livejournal.com
Yeah, that's what I wonder too.

That's one good thing about my boyfriend, he definitely has a lot of self control and pulls out way before it's time.

Date: 2007-01-21 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] https://users.livejournal.com/-teatime-/
How much did it cost for you to have an abortion? (If you don't mind me asking) I use pullout with my BF and I'm always concerned.

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