Hmm

Apr. 25th, 2009 07:26 am
[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_bella_mafia_/ posting in [community profile] vaginapagina
Now seriously girls, what are the odds of becoming pregnant when he doesn't ejaculate inside of you, but he's been inside?

And how accurate are pregnancy tests when you don't do them with first morning urine?

The reason I'm asking is that I haven't had a period in over 40 days, I've taken 3 pregnancy tests and all have been negative. My boyfriend and I horse around, and he puts it in, but doesn't cum - and he's only in a minute or 3. I know precum can have traces of sperm, but I've read about him urinating after the last ejaculation clears out those remaining guys, but anything is possible right?

I'm going to the gyno on Friday to go back on Birth Control because I can't be spending all my time worrying about I'm pregnant and trying to figure out when my period will be.

I was on BC for a month, I bled like crazy so I stopped, 3 months after I had a 16 day cycle, a 25 day cycle and a 28 day cycle. Before I was on the pill, my periods were 40 days apart. I recently moved and got a new job, could my body still be readjusting after the pill coupled with my high stress level?

Just kinda curious about the first 2 questions I asked, any help would be pretty good.

Thanks,
R

Date: 2009-04-25 12:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bachlava.livejournal.com
It all depends. Is your boyfriend one of those men who tends to "leak" a bit of semen without feeling it prior to the main ejaculation? If so, the risk is higher. Three negative pregnancy tests are a fairly good sign, but their accuracy is appreciably less when you don't use first morning urine. If you want to be more sure before your appointment, take another one with first morning urine.
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Re: You have to give BC time to 'settle in'...

Date: 2009-04-25 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kissedbythegods.livejournal.com
This. I've been on the pill for about five years, but the first period I had on the pill was hell. I'd never had cramps before, and suddenly they were so bad that I wouldn't be able to stand for chunks of time. I also bled so much that sometimes I could work my way through a tampon and a pad (using both at once) in a nine or ten hour period (while at work). But then after that one horrible month, my body got used to it and now it's great!

So basically, this is just me giving you hope. My body was messed up for the first period, but then things went back to normal.

Re: You have to give BC time to 'settle in'...

Date: 2009-04-25 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erica057.livejournal.com
Yep, I bled for two months straight when I first went on the patch.

Date: 2009-04-25 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] indigodye.livejournal.com
Precum only have traces of sperm IF he hasn't urinated since his last ejaculation. If did all of that, I'd say you are fine.

Date: 2009-04-25 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] everanddespair.livejournal.com
The failure rate for the withdrawal method is about 20%.

ETA: While I know a lot of people on here use and/or defend the withdrawal method, I can't accept it as a reliable form of contraception. It relies on too many ifs. IF he urinates beforehand, IF he ejaculates away () from the vagina, IF he pulls out at the right time, IF no semen makes it into the reproductive tract.

It's just too risky. People who use it, well, that's their decision, but in my opinion it's just not a very reliable way of preventing pregnancy.

Edited Date: 2009-04-25 03:08 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-04-25 05:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] archangelbeth
Typical use failure rate is around 20%. Perfect use is very good, comparable to perfect use of condoms -- but I do agree that it's one of the most difficult contraceptive tactics to master. (All those "ifs" are things that are under the control -- mostly -- of the guy. It's remembering to do what's necessary to un-if them that is the tricky part.) I wouldn't use it myself (for several reasons!), and I wouldn't recommend it for casual encounters (it has zero STI-prevention, quite aside from not knowing if the guy in question is able to do it effectively) or for any guys who aren't really, really in control of their reactions...

But I can accept that it isn't risky so much as it is difficult.

Which is, of course, a risk evaluation that we all make for ourselves.

Date: 2009-04-25 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atalanta0jess.livejournal.com
Well, we actually KNOW how reliable it is though - it has a 19% failure rate, with typical use (http://www.fda.gov/Fdac/features/1997/conceptbl.html). And of course, since that's a typical use stat, it does account for all those factors that you mentioned. The perfect use failure rate is 4%

And just for comparisons sake, the female condom has a 21% typical use failure rate. (In fact, even the perfect use rates follow that trend - the female condom has a higher perfect use failure rate than withdrawal does.) Diaphrams have a 20% failure rate, with a 6% perfect use rate.

Anyway, I totally respect everyone's personal decision about what type of contraception is right for them. I just like to challenge the idea that withdrawal is so much worse than some of the other options that are widely regarded as "effective enough." I probably wouldn't use withdrawal...but I wouldn't use a diaphram or female condom either.

Date: 2009-04-26 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bachlava.livejournal.com
I'd not seen the 19% figure before. The nineteenth edition of the standard reference Contraceptive Technology lists 27% (http://www.contraceptivetechnology.com/table.html), (Planned Parenthood (http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control/withdrawal-pull-out-method-4218.htm) and the World Health Organization (http://www.infoforhealth.org/globalhandbook/book/fph_chapter18/fph_chap18_how_effective.shtml) agree) with only spermicide-alone having a higher failure rate, and the physician-reviewed section of Contraceptive Technology about.com health (http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/birthcontrol/a/effectivenessbc.htm) gives 26%. I'm with you on not feeling comfortable relying on withdrawal myself - to each her own, of course. ;)

Date: 2009-04-26 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atalanta0jess.livejournal.com
Hm...on second glance, that FDA page sites the 17th edition of contraceptive technology - so 27% maybe more up to date. Perhaps I need to update my bookmarks. In any case, even with the updated contraceptive technology, the female condom has a worse perfect use rate, and a only-slightly-better (6%) typical use rate.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Date: 2009-04-25 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frolicnaked.livejournal.com
It relies on too many ifs.

True, though it may also be fair to say that every contraceptive method relies on its own ifs -- and whether a given method's ifs are acceptable can vary a great deal from couple to couple. For example, when I was on BC pills, the ifs involved if I remembered to take it on time every day, if the pill-induced nausea didn't make me throw up too soon afterward to compromise my protection, if the pharmacy processed the refill correctly and had the right pills in stock so I could get my new pills when I needed to, if the pill was preventing ovulation reliably in me (ultrasound results suggested that my personal answer to this was not "yes"). My partner and I don't use withdrawal, but I can picture a situation where the ifs associated with withdrawal would be easier to account for than the ifs associated with another method.

Date: 2009-04-26 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] everanddespair.livejournal.com
Even with typical use though, HBC has a lower failure rate than "perfect" withdrawal use.

I understand that no contraception methods (except abstinence) are 100%, but I withdrawal is just so sketchy to me. If it works for some people, fine but I just would never recommend it to anyone.

Date: 2009-04-26 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frolicnaked.livejournal.com
Even with typical use though, HBC has a lower failure rate than "perfect" withdrawal use.

This may actually depend on the sources you use for the stats. According to Planned Parenthood (http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control/birth-control-pill-4228.htm#effective), HBC pills are about 92% effective with typical use; withdrawal's perfect use rate is 96% (http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control/withdrawal-pull-out-method-4218.htm#effective). This table (http://www.contraceptivetechnology.org/table.html) from Contraceptive Technology offers the same statistics.

Date: 2009-04-26 12:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] everanddespair.livejournal.com
Books by Allyn & Bacon as well as Roger Hock (textbooks used for my sexuality class) suggest different numbers.

And frankly, I find non-internet sources to be more trustworthy.

Date: 2009-04-26 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frolicnaked.livejournal.com
Contraceptive Technology, giving the same statistics, is available in book form (http://www.amazon.com/Contraceptive-Technology-19th-Robert-Hatcher/dp/1597080012). :)

Date: 2009-04-25 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenn-possible.livejournal.com
If you're worried about pregnancy, the stress could be delaying your period.

If you want to try HBC again, just remember that different pills work for different people, and try not to get too frustrated. If you're having crazy side effects and bleeding after three months, ask your doctor about switching pills. But things really do even out after the first few months, so if you can, give it that long.

If you don't want to try HBC, have you considered fertility awareness? You could pair withdrawal with FAM or not have any insertion at all during your fertile time.

Date: 2009-04-25 06:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] versonic.livejournal.com
If you're worried about pregnancy, the stress could be delaying your period.

This.

This has happened to me tons of times, even when logically there was about a 1 in million chance I was pregnant. If you can convince yourself you're okay, then you're more likely to get your period.

Date: 2009-04-25 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atalanta0jess.livejournal.com
There are lots of non-girls around here who might have really good answers to your questions...you might consider changing your post to be more inviting to that (quite large) segment of our population. :)

Its definitely possible that your period is delayed just from stress. Definitely. If I were you, I might try testing again with your first urine of the day, just to see.

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