Date: 2002-03-22 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] her-again.livejournal.com
my favourite part is that the fda dosent consider insterting a tampon - INGESTING something harmful in yr body.

and yr tripe link is fuct.

but you still rock my fucking socks from here to scarborough and back.

Date: 2002-03-22 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterknight.livejournal.com
Scarborough, eh? that's not too far from here. :)

Date: 2002-03-22 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] her-again.livejournal.com
mee too! meee too!

Malvern represent, yo!

Date: 2002-04-19 09:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] her-again.livejournal.com
ahh sweet malvern bliss.

(wow this is an old msg im replying to. cleaning out the inbox. go me. hah. weeeeiirrd)

Date: 2002-03-22 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterknight.livejournal.com
Toxic Shock occurs wherever oxygen and opportunistic aerobic bacteria meet in the wrong place. babies (especially girls) are also at risk for TSS when they are put in those new fancy disposable diapers. :(

Re:

Date: 2002-03-22 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winterknight.livejournal.com
yeppers. i did cloth with my daughter and to be honest, if you're thoughtful about it, it's not hard at all. disposable, unbleached diaper liners make all the difference. also, they've proven that disposable diapers "gas off" toxins just like a new carpet or any other new plastic. it can exacerbate asthmatic conditions in babies and mothers. http://www.andersonlaboratories.com/ conducted the tests.

Date: 2002-03-22 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] urania.livejournal.com
It seems strange to me that you'd trust anecdotal evidence so strongly and dismiss a government agency's research as "tripe" just because it's from the government.

Dioxins, one of the main "culprits" of this whole thing, aren't formed by putting something treated with chlorines into your body; they're formed basically by buring chlorine stuff, it looks like. (If you're that hot, good for you :) but I don't think it's a risk from tampons) http://www.ejnet.org/dioxin/ gives more information on this; we're more at risk from dioxins from the environment (a valid problem) than we are from tampon use.

About TSS not being "rare"--AIDS and many cancers are rare, it's just that yes, they have gotten widespread attention. Should TSS? Of course. Does that mean tampons are necessarily "bad"? I'd say not; it's like saying that having sex at all is bad because you could get AIDS. Of course, having unprotected sex is dangerous; so is leaving a tampon in too long, or brushing off flu-like symptoms while you're using tampons. But it's my opinion that one goes too far if one tries to demonize an entire industry simply becuase their products can make some people sick--this happens all the time from products ranging from foods (all sorts of allergies) to excercise equipment (improper use) to cosmetics and soaps (rashes, etc.) To me, the more important thing is that consumers be made aware of the risks involved in anything so they can make their own choices. Tampon manufacturers do put out lots of literature about TSS; every package I have ever used lists symptoms and says--usually in large red letters--"If these occor, see a doctor ASAP" or words to that effect.

For most people, tampons seem to be a safe choice if they are active in taking care of themselves. There will always be exceptions, but life is not risk-free. *shrug* just my 2c worth... sorry I wrote so long on this. :)

Mucking with numbers cause I'm bored:

Date: 2002-03-22 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] urania.livejournal.com
... one more thing about rare: looking at the statistical site:

Even if you accept the claim that only 10 percent of the tss cases are reported, and even counting only tampon users ("70% of the 73 million American women of menstruating age) you get:

(244x10)(100)/(.7x73,000,000) = .00477 % of women will get any form of tss in any given year. That's one out of 20,000... actually a little less. And that's including the 9/10 of the suspected cases that are too weak to report.

Yup, I'd say that's "rare"... not a good reason not to publicize it, surely, and it is publicized; should probably be more so. But enough reason to be scared off tampons? I think not.

hmmmm...

Date: 2002-03-22 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brooke3rdstreet.livejournal.com
I think it is always good to question the government. This is the same government that gives us second rate education (try growing up in eastern Ky) and sells us cigarettes. Of course, i smoke myself sometimes and i know the risks...but do they really attemtpt to stop smoking? No. It is a money maker. I used to be really naive to this subject. I thought maxi ultra thins were a life saver...despite the fact that i get rashes, yeast infections, horrid odors, etc from them. They don't even work that well. For the past two months i have been researching this topic. I do not have the book on hand but (when i find it i will post it..it is at the UK library) that leads us to believe that TSS is highly underdiagnosed. I have talked with highly esteemed professors at my college. I have spoken with a woman who's best friend died b/c of tampons. Even if just 100 people died a year it should be a concern. Women are sold these products. We are made to believe we dont have choices...that we have to purchase these overpriced..perfectly white..boxes of toxic shit. Who should you believe: thousands of womens testimonys or a few people in lab coats (probably

ooops..cut myself off

Date: 2002-03-22 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brooke3rdstreet.livejournal.com
(probably men or women secretly using luna pads) telling you it is alright? They are considered a luxury!!! I would figure that such products (not the horrid toxic kind) should be considered a necessity. I don't know everything yet, but i have put a lot of effort into this cos. I put up posts on many communities and received great responses. This is our life, our bodies, we need to take care of them. Even if we were not taking health into this at all, there is still the environmental issue. The waste from these so-called "safe" products is rapidly filling up landfills. We are wasteful enough in our country..most countries don't even have the "luxury" of disposable pads. They live without them so can we. I know that i would puke before i would use a "toxic"pad again. Your vaginal health isnt worth the risks...read It's your Own fucking body...RECLAIM YOUR CUNT! EMBRASS IT...DONT HIDE FROM NATURE!

Re: ooops..cut myself off

Date: 2002-03-23 06:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] urania.livejournal.com
*shrug* if you wish to, good and fine. i don't use tampons much just becuase they dry me out; i use pads and/or Instead... but i know plenty of people who are perfectly happy with tampons. their choice; so long as they are educated that they need to watch out for tss symptoms i see no problem. (like i said above: even if only 1/10 of the cases are diagnosed, it's still incredibly rare; problems like car accidents kill far more people, percentage-wise, yet we don't stop buying cars nor does anyone really say "the government should make cars illegal"... just say "try to make them safer and make people use them in a safe manner, and make emergency care available." why? because so many people need to use them and use them in a safe manner...)...

scuse me for rambling on, i'm half asleep :)

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