offensive to vaginas everywhere

[evil-abbe.livejournal.com]

The Vagina Institute

Am I the only one who finds this incredibly insulting?

I'm sure someone has pointed this out before but wow...this was shocking to find.

Comments

[crankygirlie.livejournal.com]

Oh my fucking god, this has to be the most ridiculous, most offensive, most unbelievable thing I have ever seen in my whole life. The whole "Vagina Institute" SITE reeks of frat boys who just recently learned HTML, but never passed English in high school.

The photos are gratutious and the entire site seems devoted to making women self concious about their genitalia. It tries somewhat flaggingly to present itself as some "institute" of some sort to lend it credibility, but it fails entirely. I lack enough of the right variety of words to properly express what an absolute waste of server space and bandwidth this site is, and what a waste of oxygen those who created it are.

It is entirely without merit, and almost seems to be a prank, or some method of trying to get women to send information, photos or other personal details about their genitalia to a bunch of adolescent, undereducated pricks who are whacking off and giggling over their ingenious idea.

Laren

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[evil-abbe.livejournal.com]

i had a guy friend say to me today "you're a tall girl so your pelvis is bigger and you must have a bigger vagina than smaller girls"

i was flabbergasted. and then explained to him that vagina size has as much to do with the size of the gal as penis size does with height (he's a shortie so i think that got to him)

now, this isn't an asshole guy we're talking about here. which makes me wonder what other random crap guys are wandering around thinking.

[crankygirlie.livejournal.com]

That's sort of weird. I mean... yeah... I'm 6' and I have what I think is a normally sized vagina, actually... a bit on the small side... It never even crossed my mind that someone would think height or overall size would actually affect the size of the vagina. I mean... yeah... sheesh....

I think this is just another sad, sad case of lack of education. The equivalent of uneducated girls tittering about the size of a man's hands, which, sadly or maybe gladly, have nothing to do with the size of their weiners.

I couldn't read the entire webpage, it was painful to read, really. You know who types sentences like that? Young adolescent boys. Unintelligent, uneducated, unattractive boys who have probably never actually seen a real vagina in person. All they know of vulvas is the pron they can get for free on the internet.

Laren

[hokahey.livejournal.com]

although i know it wouldn't be very constructive, i can't help but translating this as i read it using opposite gender words and images. sort of like comparing the Scum Manifesto to old scientific reports on women and magazine articles from the 40s. Anyway, I always thought it would be interesting if there was a translation tool like babelfish.altavista.com for websites, but instead of having it concentrate on languages, have it use gender filters (among other various social filters), so that every word indicating something female would be translated into something male and vice versa. i'm sure you can think of many variances on this theme. sorry to ramble on, but really this site doesn't surprise me, which is to say that such things are rampant. we need to get to the root of the matter here. patriarchy is bad for everyone, even george bush, and especially my bush.

in short, yes it's incredibly insulting, and not as shocking as it ought to be. :\

Men do have visual discrimination imposed on them by women imposing laws prohibiting men from viewing the female body in the public venue, even something as simple as breast showing is strictly prohibited to men. Both males and female have breasts and nipples, its just considered bad for men to view the female nudity in public due to visual discrimination as oppose to women who are more free to view a higher amount of male nudity in public.

i know this part doesn't have anything to do with vaginas, but i feel like commenting on it. both men and women can have sensitive nipples, it's just that women's breasts in this culture are viewed as sexual objects to be coveted. it's not that there is discrimination against men, that they are not allowed to view women's breasts. it's more that there is discrimination against women that they are not allowed to bare their chests in public freely without harrassment, even where it is legal. some people i know are working to change that though.
Here's an article on it: http://ithaca.indymedia.org/media/text/00/00/01/D9/
with a picture...
some good news at least! :)

[evil-abbe.livejournal.com]

haha...but on the opposite side of the spectrum...scroll to the bottom and put your mouse near where it says "touch them"! (http://www.penissizedebate.com/page49b_more_big_pussy_lips.htm)

[hokahey.livejournal.com]

The more censorship society imposes on males getting access to see the female body

okay, i actually just need to say that that line alone makes my stomach turn. i mean, it's basically saying that men deserve the right to see women naked. don't you think men have enough privelege?!? ugh. i shouldn't look at this stuff when i'm in a good mood. *closes the window*

[evil-abbe.livejournal.com]

Men are not interested in female genitalia which present deformities, although most men will have intercourse with a woman who presents some degree of labial deformations. They will not seek a long term relation ship with her because of her abnormal vagina.

There is also the increasing problem that men ask their female counterparts to cover and conceal their vagina’s from view either by asking then to wear some panties of some other garment, so they do not see their vagina when making love. This problem is getting so bad because men are not finding women with a vagina that they prefer, over half of the male population have asked their partner to cover their vagina from their view.

Many men do it because their partners vagina is simple not appealing to them one bit, so the emphasis in vaginal looks and function is extremely important to men.

this is where i thought they were taking their little "joke" or whatever too far.

[hokahey.livejournal.com]

well, there's only one solution:
L-E-S-B-I-A-N-I-S-M
*g*

i mean really, i think it's just a matter of yoni envy.

[mactavish.livejournal.com]

I have *two* boys, and both love my substandard pussy just fine. :)

[hokahey.livejournal.com]

kewl. hehe.

[wynterfall2002.livejournal.com]

At one point in time, I was involved with a gent with had a rather abornally bent cock due to an accident during his youth. It looked a bit odd; but, it hit my g-spot dead on! The only sex that I've ever cried after because the experience rendered me down to the likes of a choo choo cat (http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp01312002.html) was with him.

[lionessvalenti.livejournal.com]

Not only is this insulting to women, it's also quite insulting to men. I mean, what guy would want to come across that freaking shallow? It's one thing to has misconceptions about the female body, but for a guy to completely diminish a relationship (wasn't there something in there about men only wanting long term relationships with women who have perfect vuvlas?) with a women because he thinks her pussy isn't perfect? That's just completely insulting to both sexes.

And, really, if he wants to view nothing but perfect vulvas, he can go back to the magazines where he got those conceptions and can have those perfect pussies on the pages all by himself.

[prizmdonna.livejournal.com]

Just gotta say, I personally know a man that has some pretty strong opinions on ... vulval aesthetics (for lack of a better term). First of all, there's the "if there's hair, forget it. Hair's manly and ugly." But that's not my favorite part. He then went on to talk about how much he hates women with tangible inner lips. He explained that they look like hemorrhoids and how dangly lips make it look like a "truck drove up there." Sad. Truly sad.

Anyway, regarding the site, yeah, it's offensive. However, it's SOOO poorly written that I almost pity the poor fools who run it. Almost.

- donna

[wynterfall2002.livejournal.com]

I don't think that's sad (other than his crude manner in expressing himself). I have very particular attractions towards men and women.

The difference is that neither your friend nor I have created a website that declares this the first and final rule on what should be found attractive!

[smilingcheshire.livejournal.com]

This has to be a joke.
ACK.
That whole thing disgusts me!!! OMG, I have not the words.

[gigglinggorgon.livejournal.com]

ew.

I didn't even know that vaginas all were different until I joined this community, as mine really still looks as it always did (plus hair and baby scarring, heh) but now I am fascinated and in love with beautiful vaginas of all kinds... and hate to see them referred to as 'repulsive'!!!!

I wonder if any men at all were involved in the making of this site, or if it's all women and inhuman marketers who simply are as stupid as they are ignorant?

[adjectivegail]

I wonder if any men at all were involved in the making of this site, or if it's all ... inhuman marketers...
this made me remember an article i read a couple of months ago, about how cosmetic surgery on vulvas is apparently becoming increasingly fashoinable amongst the rich and famous/infamous. something about wanting the 'ideal' mons, sexily pouting and no 'unsightly', 'straggly' dangling inner labia, or lopsided labia, or anything.
it made me so sad to read that article.

[sebatical.livejournal.com]

I wonder if any men at all were involved in the making of this site

I doubt it.. that was pure ignorant marketing.. it certainly wasn't indicative of most male line of thought..

[wynterfall2002.livejournal.com]

Must've been monkeys.

[paperwings86.livejournal.com]

I love my kitty.

An innocent question

[rabidpixie.livejournal.com]

I was just wondering because I've never seen anything like this before: http://www.penissizedebate.com/page49a_large_labia_lips.htm

Are these pictures of really large and obtrusive (is that the right word?) inner and outer lips for real? Can they really be like that or is that stretched or something? I've never seen one that looked like that.

Re: An innocent question

[happyjenn97.livejournal.com]

Yes, I can say from personal experience that they are real.

[necromimesis.livejournal.com]

I wish it was impossible for people to write internet sites if they were unable to a)think and b)spell.

If it isn't a joke, the people who wrote it certainly are.

[serehmia.livejournal.com]

That drivel was so full of grammar and syntax errors that it's almost laughable. Though I think it's very sad that there are people out there (legit or otherwise) who will put up (and God-forbid, believe) that sort of thing.

And as for the access to naked women to look at, who were the first people to impose those rules of modesty hundreds of years ago? Men. It's an offensive waste of time.

[wynterfall2002.livejournal.com]

I'd like to know what they think they're accomplishing. This isn't like changing your hairstyle to comply with the demands of fashion or putting in contacts to make your brown eyes blue or adopting an unhealthy and deadly eating disorder to achieve a particular weight. You really can't do anything about it.

They probably only have pornos as a reference for the female form, anyway. ;)

[grail76.livejournal.com]

Do they have like a journal? "Journal of the ..." nah. Just another hype ...

and yes, frat type stuff

[kyriedj.livejournal.com]

You know I'm never measured my kitty to see if she was symmetrical. I like her- she's my friend, usually, and I don't judge my friend by some rating system imposed by prepubescent dickless wonders. 'Sides, no one has ever complained and if they did, they'd quickly find themselves on the my "no-nookie" list.

[finding_helena]

'Sides, no one has ever complained and if they did, they'd quickly find themselves on the my "no-nookie" list.

EXACTLY! Anyone who would be crass enough to complain about their lover's vulva would quickly find themself not getting laid at all. I think that might be incentive enough to learn to appreciate the "substandard", n'est ce pas?

Well damn girlies...

[malificati.livejournal.com]

I just took that "how do you measure up" quizlette thingy...and with my fiancee as well! Here's my results..

The quality of your vulva is of 86.5 points.

Based on the answers that you have provided, your Vulva and Vagina is of good quality



And that was based on a scale of 100...pretty uplifting for a waking up in the afternoon....::shifts eyes:: not that I had any doubt mind you...::sarcasm::

Re: Well damn girlies...

[tonapah.livejournal.com]

Heh, apparently my vulva is of "low average quality." The shame! ;)

"The vulva and vagina requires maintenance throughout the course of your life, it is an amazing organ, but it does need to be properly maintained with constant physical enhancements or it will decay at a fast rate and become relaxed and dysfunctional, the average woman starts her vaginal decay at an average age of 25 years old, some may be at a younger age then others and from there on it goes down hill, many decay problems can be avoided or reversed by properly maintaining it."

How does one properly maintain a vagina? Sprinkle fertilizer?

I'm dying to know what they mean by "constant physical enhancements."

[rainbow649.livejournal.com]

That makes me soo mad. Like girls don't have enough to feel insecure about already. With the media trying to make us feel like we aren't pretty unless we look like we're starving and on heroin. hi abbe. love you

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[evil-abbe.livejournal.com]

hey bobo

finally found this community?

love you too!!!

[steadierfooting.livejournal.com]

my head just nearly exploded. i cannot even read past the first paragraph. i think everyone else has already expressed how incredibly disgusting and offensive that web site is. i just wanted to add my voice.

[tigerfemme.livejournal.com]

Silly little boys. What a crock that site is...it's sad if anyone actually believes it (or if they do). I wonder if these guys are actually getting any...:(

All I can say is...I like my pussy so much I that gave her jewelry. ;) Though I still need to look into a new barbell for that (clit hood) piercing...the titanium has lost its color and is now kinda gold-ish...just have to find the time and money and a good piercer (replacing genital piercing jewelry is not a do-it-yourself practice)!

But I digress. Thanks for posting this, evil_abbe. This is a definite case of "know thy enemy," ya know?

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[evil-abbe.livejournal.com]

welcome!

also, vertical or horizontal hood? i really am considering the wonderfulness that one could be but don't want anything thats too...um...stimulating

did no one find the flick the large labias thing as funny as i did? (link above)

[tigerfemme.livejournal.com]

I chose a vertical hood...I wanted a horizontal initially, but the piercer told me that on larger women (i.e. anything but skinny; I'm 5'2 189 lbs) the horizontal pierce tends to twist and either heals "lopsized" or grows out entirely.

I chose a barbell once the pierce healed since once I went up a guage or two, I felt a ring was stretching the piercing itself too much. Now I'm up to a 10 guage and don't want to go any higher, but for the initial pierce I'd suggest a 14 guage ring, stainless steel or titanium or the like. Gold is tough to keep in any piercing; it's too soft, and it's even harder to keep in a vulva piercing.

As far as stimulating...I really don't have too much of a problem with it. There are a few times where I'm more aware of the pierce, but it doesn't tend to make its presence known on anything close to a regular basis. I would think that a horizontal ring would make the bead more likely to rest on the clit, but for a vertical ring or barbell, I really wouldn't worry about too much stimulation.

And the initial pierce is painful, but because the hood is a mucous membrane, the pain doesn't last, and if you keep it clean, it heals quickly. (To tell truth, it's in a good region to heal, not to be graphic, but urine is a natural antiseptic in this case.)

I'd say go for it. The short moment of "YEOW!" and (short!) period of healing it have given me years of enjoyment - it feels good to "claim" my vulva as a special, beautiful part of me. :)

[ayodele.livejournal.com]

I wonder if these guys are actually getting any...:(

obviously not, something they can no doubt blame on the lack of aesthetically pleasing vaginas in their vicinity rather than what they see in the mirror.

[punkrawkmama77.livejournal.com]

Wow. Fuck a whole lotta that shit.

[babycola.livejournal.com]

I wonder if there's an e-mail for them somewhere. I feel like sending them some photos of nice 'imperfect' cunts.

[dreamsneak.livejournal.com]

i'm a little disconcerted with the word "perfect" and the fact that we women should be. men, on the other hand, don't have to be aesthetically pleasing. they are simply there to tell us to cover up our less-than-perfect cunts. complete rubbish.

i think that one of my buddies captured the male perspective on pussy pretty well when he said, "if it's sitting right in front of you, it doesn't matter! it's pussy! you have to go for it! if you don't, there's something wrong with you." or something along those lines, at least.

[mangofandango.livejournal.com]

The registration information for the domain of that website includes this information:

Registrant:
R Dolby
Domain Name: VAGINAINSTITUTE.COM
Created on: 13-Aug-02
Expires on: 13-Aug-03
Last Updated on: 30-Aug-02

Administrative Contact:
Dolby, R rdolby@rockyhigh.com

It appears that it's a random guy in British Columbia.

I thought some of you might like to send a few emails!

[harpseal.livejournal.com]

I find it intresting, The web page says it has been researching scince 1995, but the info you posed it says since aug-2002.

This guy is an asshole.

Far from PERFECT....or so they say!

[nsoroma79.livejournal.com]

Well according to that....I have one UGLY and far from PERFECT vagina! LoL
I happen to think mine is beautiful...and a matter of fact - so does my hubby!
My thoughts are this -
1. This guy, probably either can't get chicks, so he has to put us and our "womanhood" down
or
2. He is just some arrogant asshole guy who probably thinks he is god's gift to women, and in return he NEEDS a PERFECT vagina!

Men - I will NEVER understand them! LoL

[madcatter.livejournal.com]

THIS IS DISGUSTING. WRITTEN BY A MAN, I'M SURE. NO SELF RESPECTING WOMAN WOULD DEGRADE HERSELF LIKE THIS.

[harpseal.livejournal.com]

the problem is, we know better, how many girls out there DON'T know better and this is hurting thier self-esteem and making them feel bad about them selves.

This is horrible, not for us, for those who really believe this site.