[identity profile] justreadmyspine.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] vaginapagina
My period should've started on April 30th (I had a very regular cycle while I was on birth control). I took a pregnancy test on April 28th and it was negative. But my period has not come. I stopped Ortho Evra on April 5th so I know this could be due to a change in my cycle from stopping birth control. However, my boyfriend have been using the pull-out method since I stopped, so I could be pregnant. I think I should take another test, but how long should I wait to do that? The one I took was two days before my scheduled period. It's now been four days since my period didn't come. Is that too soon to test again, or is it good to test again if you miss a period?

Date: 2006-05-04 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arrien.livejournal.com
you can test as soon as the first day after your missed period with a regular test. There are also early response tests, but they don't work for everyone. It all depends on the amount of hCG in your urine.


But yes, you can test and you should get an accurate result.

Date: 2006-05-04 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arrien.livejournal.com
you should. you may not have had enough hCG in your urine to detect a pregnancy if you tested before your missed period.

Date: 2006-05-04 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amazon-syren.livejournal.com
Okay.

1) Unless you're allergic to latex (which you may be, I realize), or are actively trying to get pregnant (although I'm guessing you're not) your boyfriend should be using the condom method of birth-control, as it's a whole lot more effective (and somewhat less of a let-down, from what I understand).

Re: Late Period:
I think it's likely that this is just post-stopping-birth-control hormonal changes, and nothing to worry about. (Or, conversely, it's you stressing over a possible-but-unlikely pregnancy, and thus not getting your period due to stress).
Either way: Assuming you're not allergic to raspberries: Make a big, *strong* pot of raspberry tea (fruit or leaf -- leaf is stronger, fruit tastes better, or you can combine the two) and drink it all, over the course of a few hours.
In my experience (granted, I've never been on any form of hormonal birth-control), this should bring on your period in about three days.

Good luck to you. :-)

Date: 2006-05-04 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aechei.livejournal.com
so, you think having him pull out is less of a responsibilty than using a condom? i have to say, your logic here is extremely shaky. use a condom.

Date: 2006-05-04 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fightsactualfoo.livejournal.com
I have to disagree with you. Pulling out isn't a trust issue between you and your partner (although having completely unprotected sex is). I think it's more of a biological. Small amounts of semen come out prior to ejaculation - pulling out does not protect you from the potentially thousands of sperm that arrive on the scene before your boyfriend's official orgasm. I can't think of a reason why using a condom would hurt - it only ads a smidge of thickness - but if that is the case, there are other (MUCH more reliable methods of birth control. Female condoms, spermicide - it's endless. If you are not worried about STIs, great, but please please please do more to be responsible about getting pregnant if you don't want to be.

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Date: 2006-05-08 03:34 am (UTC)
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Date: 2006-05-05 01:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_norma_jeane_/
I'm confused. You used condoms while you were on BC, but since you've gotten off the pill, you've stopped using condoms?

Date: 2006-05-04 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abazureonna.livejournal.com
I use the vaginal contraceptive film, and it works great. Put it in 15 minutes before intercourse and it lasts up to three hours.

The pull-out method isn't quite as bad as many people think, but, of course, there's always the chance of him coming unexpectedly. He can pull out *mostly* in time, and still come a little inside you too, so if you're only comfortable using that method for now, then I hope he knows his body really well.

Technically if you get pregnant it *is* his responsibility as well, legally, so asking him to use a condom would surely be reasonable. Latex makes my snatch feel like burning, and I'm married/monogamous, so I don't use them either, though.

Date: 2006-05-04 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giniliz.livejournal.com
The VCF is like a Listerine Strip (though I don't advise putting it in your mouth!) It seriously looks and feels like a larger version of the breath strips. And like those, it dissolves when it enounters heat and wetness. So unlike contraceptive foams and gels, it is not in messy liquid form until after it is in your body. The VCF comes in individual packets. You fold up the film and insert it vaginally before sex as you would any other spermicide. In just a few minutes, the heat and warmth of your vagina melts it and so you are ready to go.

Date: 2006-05-04 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moochar.livejournal.com
VCF is just another form of spermicide. According to Planned Parenthood, "Of 100 women who use contraceptive foam, cream, jelly, film, or suppositories, 29 will become pregnant during the first year of typical use. Fifteen will become pregnant with perfect use. Using a condom increases effectiveness." Also, a downfall, alot of women find it very irritating.

It's not as effective as condoms, "of 100 women whose partners use condoms, about 15 will become pregnant during the first year of typical use. Only two women will become pregnant with perfect use."

Date: 2006-05-05 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abazureonna.livejournal.com
bah, i've used it for a long time and have had no trouble. yes, ejaculation can occur. typical use includes things like not waiting enough time, etc.

Date: 2006-05-04 09:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giniliz.livejournal.com
It is best when used with condoms or another method(such as withdrawal). Alone, I believe it is about 82% effective. Better than nothing, though.

Date: 2006-05-04 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giniliz.livejournal.com
Yes, but when combined with pulling out, it increases the level of protection. The 82% is if the film is the only method being used and ejaculation is occuring inside the vagina.

Date: 2006-05-05 04:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giniliz.livejournal.com
Yes. Spermicide kills sperm. 82% of women who use spermicide regularly and correctly during intercourse with no other method such as a condom or withdrawal will not get pregnant. 18% will get pregnant. Combined with withdrawal or condoms or fertility awareness or some other method, the chances of pregnancy decrease to lower than that 18% that is with spermicides alone. I don't know what the actual combined effectiveness is. I'll try to look that up. But 2 methods are generally better than 1, and withdrawal is 1 method that can be added to spermicide.

Date: 2006-05-04 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moochar.livejournal.com
I'm not sure it last up to 3 hours. I looked up info on it & found that it lasted up to 1 hour. According to Planned Parenthood, "contraceptive foams, creams, jellies, film, or suppositories usually require waiting 10 minutes after insertion before intercourse can begin. These methods typically only remain effective for one hour after insertion." Of course it could depend on the brand or type? I'm not too sure, as I have no personal expierence with the stuff. But things I was able to find said it lasted up to an hour.

And also, just to clarify, if you have sex another time, even within the hour time limit for the VCF, you need to insert another before having sex again.

Date: 2006-05-05 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abazureonna.livejournal.com
On the box of the stuff that I buy it's printed clearly "up to three hours". I'm not sure whether PP is lumping foams, jellies, and film together, or if it's a different brand. As I understand it, misrepresenting the effectiveness on the directions of a box of contraceptives is pretty illegal, though, so I'm inclined to trust it.

Date: 2006-05-05 01:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moochar.livejournal.com
I never said not to trust it, that's why I mentioned "of course it could depend on the brand or type" in my first comment. Perhaps more common types or brands last an hour & other brands could last longer.

Date: 2006-05-04 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelic-bathory.livejournal.com
If your period doesn't come soon, take the test with your first morning urine and don't forget to wait the alotted time. HCG is more potent then.

Date: 2006-05-04 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelic-bathory.livejournal.com
Then you should be fine. :) You'd be surprised how many people don't read the instructions though. LOL Good luck!

Date: 2006-05-05 11:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] viellen
Hey, I've noticed there seems to be some confusion about the efficacy of spermicide vs. the pull-out method. Here's some more information for you. The pull-out-method is statistically very similar to spermicide (in fact there are studies that state the pull-out method is more effective than spermicide). According to Go Ask Alice, spermicide (which includes VCF) is between 79-96% effective, depending on use (aka 79 is closer to "normal" use and 96 is perfect use). The pull-out method similarly ranges from 80-95% effective (source). While they are similar, neither are really an effective way of preventing pregnancy. Spermicide also comes with it's own set of concerns, as some people have allergies/sensetivaties to it. There is also a theory that spermicide may create small cuts in the vagina, which would make one more susceptible to contractive STI's (one of many sources. This theory is based on an unsubstantiated study in Africa (aka it's not 100% proven fact, but it is a logical concern).

Despite spermicide and the pull-out method having low efficacy rates, there are still some very effective non-hormonal options for birth control--and they may be a little easier on your budget, if that's a concern. Planned Parenthood sometimes offers some of these options for free or at a low cost (i.e. the Paraguard IUD). As always, the best course of action is talking to your doctor :)

Date: 2006-05-06 12:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] viellen
It's with ejaculation in the body. Combining spermicide with the pull-out-method does increase efficacy, but I haven't found any exact statistics as to how much of a margin it'd be. I'm glad the info was helpful for you!

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