Date: 2002-09-29 09:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mactavish.livejournal.com
This healthy, normal woman often has a high state of arousal without help. :)

Date: 2002-09-29 10:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falls2climb.livejournal.com
same here. if anything, I would think that spraying something up my nose would turn me off, thanks.

Date: 2002-09-29 12:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nnnslogan.livejournal.com
Sixteen healthy women were given the drug and 16 were given a placebo. All were shown erotic videos, while detectors measured blood flow in their vaginas.

I'm picturing a very strange scene based on that snippet.

...and who's to say they weren't aroused by the videos alone? What were these videos?

Date: 2002-09-29 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] subterranea.livejournal.com
Exactly! I can be turned on just watching videos, so what's to say they weren't as well? And if they were shy about it, they could just hide behind the excuse that, "Well, the spray really helped turn me on because I usually don't watch "erotic videos"."

I also don't think they can get an enitrely accurate sample with just 32 women. That could be entirely luck of the draw.

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Date: 2002-09-29 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nnnslogan.livejournal.com
Yeah, it's not a big enough study.

I'm also wondering about this new FDA-approved clitoral vacuum. I have never been unwilling to suck on the clitoris in the first place... I guess it's for women without partners or women with utterly lame partners.

Date: 2002-09-29 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] subterranea.livejournal.com
Whoa, the what vacuum? That's...that's very odd-sounding. How does it work?

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Date: 2002-09-29 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nnnslogan.livejournal.com
http://sexuality.about.com/library/weekly/aa051500.htm

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Date: 2002-09-29 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nnnslogan.livejournal.com
http://sexuality.about.com/library/weekly/aa051500.htm
http://www.eroscillator.net/Eros_CTD/eros_ctd.html
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m1175/5_33/66380398/p1/article.jhtml?term=EROS-CTD
http://www.urometrics.com/pressroom/releases/062900.html
http://www.grogans.com/research.jsp?documentid=61
http://www.hisandherhealth.com/articles/Non-Pharmacological_Possibilities_for_Treating_Female_Sexual_Dysfunction.shtml

Bad journalism.

Date: 2002-09-29 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] subterranea.livejournal.com
I don't like the creepy way the author worded that first paragraph.

The "seducer's ultimate dream"? Shouldn't the word "seducer" here be changed to "rapist" or "sexual harasser"? Maybe this hypothetical woman's "cold indifference" means that she's simply not interested? Altering her "cold indifference" via a chemical sounds a lot like, "When she says "No", just ignore that because what she really means is "Yes"...and now you MAKE her say "Yes".

That whole first paragraph has no actual bearing on the chemical that the story is supposed to be about, either. As Dr Carl Spana, president of Palatin Technologies pointed out:

"'The drug can only be administered as a nasal spray - which isn't good for seducers. You can't put it in a drink and sticking it up a girl's nose is hard to do surreptitiously, after all.

'On the other hand, related compounds could easily be made into pills one day, though I still don't think they will turn on a woman who was previously totally uninterested in a man or in having sex. She has to be halfway there already.'"

So, WTF is the writer thinking, in writing a completely misleading opening? I also think it's a bit sexist, considering the spray can also be used by men, but is portrayed by the author as a way to make recalcitrant women want to have sex with a previously unattractive "seducer"?

definitely bad form.

Date: 2002-09-29 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] perplexxi.livejournal.com
i agree. when i read the post, i thought the article would be about a new form of date rape drug.

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